Problematic Sequence

[Charter]

I'm clueless on to how I'm going to do this scene. I have to fit 50 Squibs on a 15 Year-Old, plus I have to simulate 1 arm blowing off and the middle of the chest blowing out into the camera. I've already assembled the squibs, but I can't seem to think of a way to get an arm to blow apart and a chest to explode. I already tested usuing a dummy, but it looked fake. I have already been asked "why 50?".

Imagine This:

A kid comes out of a large building, with M-16s in both hands. The Police S.W.A.T. Team comes up and yells "Freeze!". Does a criminal ever freeze? The kid shoots 10 rounds at the police, then they load him with bullets (And a well-placed explosive shell). I think I already earned an R rating.

I've contacted SFX People, but nobody will do it (Most of their methods involve explosives, and they won't fit them on someone under 18. I'm hoping there's a cheaper, safer way to do this (rather than prosthetics with explosives).

[miker]

so you didn't see Butch Cassidy and the Sundance Kid then?


Maybe your 15 yr old should freeze

Or do the usual oldest teenager in the world trick.

Maybe the editor should just cut the scene out.


See? You do have options

[eddie]

fake it hugely.
Have a body double.
You could fire off a few of the squibs on your actor, then do a few close ups (or even further away shots using a different (older) actor in the same clothes.
Use some crazy editing, action scenes are really good fun (and easy to fake) like that, since fast editing works well in fast moving scenes.

[Chris Payne]

Don't show it.
Show 5 cops unloading their guns at him, maybe with a twitching foot and a load of blood splatter in the foreground. Just show
blood hitting the floor, then have everything go quiet and the corpse hit the pavement.

Remember the motel murder scene in "Dusk 'til Dawn"? That sort of thing. It'll be much more effective than "Bad Taste"-style dodgy fx.

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- Chris

[khan488]

You could try a reverse angle shot. you know a cmaera behind the victime shot. That way you could show pretty much all the bullet holes you want on a different actor and then edit whatyou would need to to make the real actor noticeable. You could I understand the gor you want to partray in your move but sometimes the best thing to do is avoid showing it directly.

For example if you want to show an hand coming off shot it after the ordeal, you could pan into the dead body after the ordeal and show what you need to. You really don't have to show it all at one time.

[Charter]

Thanks for all the responses.

I've already asked the Editor if we needed the scene, and I got a good yelling-at. Aparently we DO need the scene.

We're trying for the "RoboCop" Scene. Where the gang unloads everything on him, kinda like that. I would Do the "Just show the cops", but We REALLY Want to piss-off The Parent's Groups.

It's not just senseless gore, It's ment to be deeper. The Kid didn't do anything, he is the hero. Got the guns while taking over the building. A Police Car passes when they say freeze. For all he knows, they could have been the terrorists in SWAT Uniforms. I don't know if any of you have seen "Ghost in the Shell", but I want the 'blood going everywhere" effect.

[eddie]

I agree, it might be more horrible if you show someone riddled with bullets and blood splashes, then a cut to the remains, simply a body and a severed arm, showing the disturbing results.....

[Leatherface00]

Hey, change the actor, i'll be him and you really can blow my arm off )

Steve

[Eliud25]

Hey why don't you make the scene totally different. Make the scene a scene people will always remember. Make something filmmakers almost never try. Make the scene cartoonish. Animate the kid and make him look like a cartoon. Make the cops cartoonish. Then blow the kid into pieces. When the scene is finished, revert back to a live film look. Know one will ever expect it and everyone will think you are a genius.

[stop_thief]

Eliud, Eliud, Eliud...
well said, well said

Come on Charter-Boy, I dare you!